Curse

Gosu · Aug 13, 2006, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by Super_Nerd0

Thnx Ulivious The Reaper for fixing the skills, they are a lot better now, sry Gosu but i didnt understandanything other than "take away sneak skills but evade is fine" and actionjack it would be more fun to play a ninja tengu than a human tengu. and all(if any) other races will be game specific creatures so that this doesnt become WoW

The reason why i am against this character as i am not talking off the top of my head i am talking from experience, i have seen characters like this implemented into games and it almost always ends in tears usually for the players as their the one's who will be crying about balancing it.

Camoflauge(Sneaking Stance)
Cost-15
Cast-1
Recharge-30
For 3...7 seconds,you cannot be targeted. This skill ends prematurely if you use a Shout skill or take damage.

He has only given one example of a skill for the sneaking class that he would like to implement, i am also going off his intial comment as well.

Sneaking
Many skills that deal with cloaking and smaller aggrovation area are increased with Sneaking

How would you define the term Cloaking, i would say it means to mask,conceal or hide.

I wouldn't be suprised if he would want to implement skills which would aid such a character to be hidden from detection as well.

I can only say so much, but you said it yourself, how can one take damage if he can't be targeted or detected, AoE damage would probably be the only way but still isn't guranteed by any stretch of the imagination, there are a few other skills like this in game but they are most notably elites and have big drawbacks, camoflauge is neither an elite and doesn't really have that big a drawback.

I mean the real concern is the fact that he wants to base a whole attribute class around stealth and stuff, which would almost inevitably mean that there would be skills where one would be able to avoid detection.

If Anet where going to implement stealth, sneaking, cloaking or whatever, i would say they would need to sit down and think long and hard about it. As something like this could seriously harm the pvp game. I would say though it's better to be safe than sorry keep well away from sneaking, stealth, cloaking until someone produces a good way to implement it.

or you could end up with another mess on your hands like bioware did with Neverwinter Nights in terms of the pvp side of the game.

Super_Nerd0 · Aug 13, 2006, 03:22 PM // 15:22

well said Gosu, and i keep forgetting to change sneaking.

Sneaking
Many skills that deal with not being targeted become more effective with sneaking. Also, you gain + .5% more chance to "evade" attacks while using a Sneaking skill.

More balancing-
1.Only elite sneaking skills would last more than 10 seconds, but most normal skills dont go above 7 seconds.the ones that do goabove 7 have higher costs and recharge

2.while using a sneaking skill, only people who were already targeting you can attack you.this works well with the new Sneaking.

if you think there are any more balancing issues, please say so and please tell me how they could be more balanced, but if its not possible to balance it, tell me to stick with Ninjutsu(or Ninjitsu) Transformation.

wildhusky · Aug 13, 2006, 10:03 PM // 22:03

Ninjutsu might be better...

heres a skill for it

Ninjutsu Clone
Cost-25
Cast-5
Recharge-45
You transform into a random party member for 10...30 seconds. You get all of their armor, weapons, and skills until you change back.

Also, all Ninjutsu Transformation skills should end prematurely if you use another Nijutsu Transformation skill.

Super_Nerd0 · Aug 14, 2006, 01:28 AM // 01:28

Ninjutsu Clone is a very good skill but it should be elite.
Sneaking-0
Ninjutsu Transformation-1

lightblade · Aug 14, 2006, 01:38 AM // 01:38

ugh! not another Asian prof....we're done with with Asia, now get over it!

Super_Nerd0 · Aug 14, 2006, 02:59 AM // 02:59

umm...who cares? they dont have to be specific to any one region of the world. did you just read the name ninja and scream or did you actualy read the posts?